you need tax reform, in my view, corporate pad taxes are too high in the competitive world we're in. get those issues in front of them and then deal with the spending issues, which primarily are in medicare-medicaid and some of the other domestic -- >> how should people feel when they read this john boehner interview where he said the president said, we don't have a spending problem. how should people feel about that? >> if he said that, there's no way to agree with that. look, we're spending 24 percent of gdp and we're taking in 16%. we've got a spending problem. part of the spending problem is the recession that we've been in. the thing you've got to remember all of this has to be designed to get strong economic growth. the goal is not to cut spending or deal with the deficit. those are vehicles to get to the main goal getting the economy to grow at a faster rate. >> it is possible for someone to look at what he thinks government should provide for its citizens and it is possible to believe that 25% of gdp should be spent on government services. it is possible that he believes that